How to make a cylinder: check this out! HarHarHar! "rounders"! I found a way to cheat in new BZEDIT and get a round tower (maybe it's already been tried?) what you do is make a wall (any height) (any thickness 1 unit is best) (any length 10 units is best). then go to his duplication translate with rotation? ask for 360 times(duplicates) rotate 1 degree...translate with rotation!! but here is the draw back 1 rounder tower equals 360 peices....equals 28K for just 1 rounder, 10 units high, 10 units long, 1 unit wide(thick)...and the other drawback? minimum 3 seconds lag when your 50 units away from it and it goes up to 10 seconds lag when right on it or up against it. heheheheh going below 25 peices(duplications) and 14 degrees rotation is the least you can do to give it a somewhat smooth look to the cylinder....it's still a little laggy (1 sec.) but it could pass for a round tower. sid6.7 wankerspanker